we saw the last go-round with obama and senator john mccain. mccain seemed a little uncomfortable, stiff there in that format, and the president walked around and seemed casual and comfortable making a connection with the audience. how important is that? >> it's everything. i mean, the master of this form is bill clinton. in fact, it was clinton in 1992 that kept saying i want more town hall forms because he can have such a great interpersonal relationship with people. he -- clinton can lock on somebody. he felt like he was talking directly at you. if you really think about what barack obama's problem was the last debate, he kept looking down at his notes and seemed to not really engage either romney or the moderator, for whatever his reasons. this time it's going to be different. he will be talking to the voter, so you really want to go right at them and talk to them as if you're their best friend. i would be studying, if i were both of them, bill clinton tapes. >> some analysts say that they thought the president perhaps misjudged here becaus